I cross-posted How does one improve one's relationships with the Jews? Let me count the ways... at IBA. I copy the ensuing comments below:
March 05, 2009
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romanreb said...
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Thank GOD that Doctrine doesn't change every time the Pope opens his mouth. Papal Infallibility is a little understood phenomenon that requires a lot more than a Holy Father with misplaced affections getting carried away and kissing a Koran. Bless his heart. He needs our prayers. And so does his successor, for the strength to stand against those who would try to use the Church to manipulate social and political agendas.
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06 March, 2009 01:08
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Because Islam did not seem an issue to me at the time that John Paul II was Pope, I was not aware of his activities with regard to Islam.
I am well-aware that the Catechism of the Catholic Church does recognize that Muslims and Catholics worship the same God. I think that is a mistake. I don't know who initiated that idea, or why, but I think the evidence has shown that the god Allah is pretty near the opposite of the Christian God.
However, that being said, for John Paul II to have made the statement he made was absolutely doctrinal, and therefore, he probably should not be castigated for it personally.
Instead, the world needs to know that this is the opinion of the Catholic Church. And, most of all, Catholics need to know that this is the opinion of their Church. And, everyone needs to bring pressure upon the Church to change that ludicrous idea.
Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:25:00 AM
"However, that being said, for John Paul II to have made the statement he made was absolutely doctrinal, and therefore, he probably should not be castigated for it personally."
I disagree. Nothing about Islam is doctrinal in the Catholic Church. The Immaculate Conception and the Assumption Mariae are. Johannes Paul II was free to do what he did and every Catholic is, as I am, free to see what it implies and openly criticize him for it.
I have looked up the (very brief and only) paragraph about Islam in the Catholic Catechism. There is a notable difference between the German and the English version:
English:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
German (literal translation):
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims who profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
That is conspiciously ambiguous. Go figure!
The Catholic Church doesn't need any reformation in the sense of a modernization. If they need anything it's a return to the traditional values because it is the only Western spiritual power that has the potential to stand in the way of Islam on its way to world domination. The systematic, planned, deliberate and carefully staged demolishing of the Pius Brotherhood and with it any conservative leanings within the Catholic Church, including Pope Benedict XVI, with this idiot Holocaust denier as a tool shows were we are heading. It was the work of atheists who consider themselves "free thinkers". Where were they when Gerhard Schröder (or all the others) kissed Holocaust denier Ahmadinejad's ring?
Worth a thought or two, eh?
Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:06:00 AM