I am always losing my considerable charm and graces when Americans are wasting the word "conservative" on German circumstances, because they are unable to look beyond their, admittedly vast, borders. This time it was at
Gates of Vienna:
A couple of weeks ago I posted a report by our German correspondent Furor Teutonicus about a German conservative movement known as Pro-Deutschland.
Some additional information seemed in order. I am re-posting the gist of my comment here, together with some additional points. As I have pointed out countless times, there ARE NO "conservatives" in Germany. Never were, are not, never will be.
To quote myself:
WHAT we have are brown-painted Socialists, Sacred-Heart Socialists, green-over-brown-painted Socialists, Communists and a tiny, hapless "liberal" party that used to be a receptacle for old Nazis after '45 and which has ousted itself from serious politics by their self-consciously cultivated image of a "fun party".
The staple of all of them is the hatred of America and Jews, which the not-brown-painted ilk insist to call "anti-Zionism" because they are such despicable hypocrites.The quote can be found
here, the bone of contention it that specific case was the fact that well-meaning but -- to put it politely --
slightly one-dimensional Americans threw another heartfelt "he was a patriot" after the deceased governor of Carinthia because, as I put it then, HE opposed immigration and THEY don't know their arses from their elbows, i.e. squat about German history, society and mentality, and were seriously AMAZED that this paragon of anti-immigration principles had rubbed shoulders with Saddam Hussein.
Now it's about the Bürgerbewegungen (civil movements) under the "Pro" label, heavily weighed down by Neo- and old Nazis. Case in point: One of the main backers of Pro Köln, vanguard of the "Pro" movement, is Günther Kissel, an (old) Nazi and wealthy muckshifter, who built the megalomaniac mosque in Duisburg. Pecunia muselmaniae non olet. That is not the only (Neo-)Nazi-connection, by the way. The common staple between left, right and center is hatred of Israel, the
Über-Jew and America, the surrogate Jew and as Muslims are always glad to help, they are gladly welcomed, and to hell with "anti-immigrant" principles.
I performed a brief Google search and lo and behold,
one of the local "Pro"-branches celebrates Gerard Menuhin, one of those Jews who are always gladly taken into the Nazi-fold and who, I hope, does not need an introduction here. What will one find if a one-minute Google search for "Pro Deutschland" with no other search parameter delivered that?
Vlaams Belang is fine, Partij voor de Vrijheid is fine, even BNP is able to learn. However, dear Americans, you may have noticed that they are not German. But then, you may not. I repeat: You WILL NOT find anything like that in Germany. If
THAT is Germany's future, God help us!
Mind you, I am NOT saying that those "Pro" organisations are NOT attracting quite a few wellmeaning, decent citizens who are just desperate because the mainstream parties are exposing them helplessly to the Islamic threat.
I don't know America just from a few visits, have never lived there for any considerable length of time and never worked there. At this end many people like myself, Europeans, even Germans, are labouring to do America justice, reading, talking, thinking, learning about your country. Why do you Americans think you can get away with just grafting your home-made preconceptions on the infinitely more complex European circumstances.
I have
written before that it is, albeit difficult, not impossible to understand Germany. To quote myself again:
That it is possible to understand that strange country shows Herman Wouk, who has got Germany's number to a "T". The information on Germany he delivers in his WWII-trilogy ist stunningly accurate and even more insightful. I seem to remember that it was in the first volume of this very trilogy, where a discussion based on the writings of one of the early sociologists (Pareto?) occured, saying that Germany had taken a path different from that of other European countries because of Arminius' victory over Varus in 9 AD. The relative absence of the mellowing, civilisatory Roman influence serves here to explain a cruel and ruthless streak in the Germans that seems to be absent, or not so prevalent, in other European people. Whether that is entirely true or not, it is certainly helpful to at least begin to understand Germany's otherness.
As for a more recent assessment, I recommend The German-Israeli historian Dan Diner's book "Feindbild Amerika", in which he outlines the long history of German antiamericanism as a backward-oriented society’s angst-ridden and contemptuous reaction to modernity. Sadly, there is no English translation available, but I am sure that "America in the Eyes of the Germans: An Essay on Anti-Americanism" contains at least the basics of Diner's theory. Here is a review.
A whiff of understanding of the German language would be quite an eye-opener, then Americans would be able to read (and hopefully to understand), say, the hate-filled, antisemitic comments in a serious Islam-critical and staunchly pro-Israel German blog like
Politically Incorrect or the equally hate-filled buckets full of slandering slurry in the leftist blogosphere that is emptied over the PI-team, and maybe, perhaps, hopefully, understand that there is method behind such a mutual stance.
Then they would, too, understand the implications of the fact, that a medium like the
Junge Freiheit, the modern, rinsed with demagogic fabric-softener, acceptable face of Neo-Nazism, is hosting interviews with militant Muslims and haters of the Jewish state like
Jamal Karsli or Muslim Brother and Hamas-supporter
Ibrahim El-Zayat. Soundbite from a recent interview headed "It's seething among the Muslims":
Will the Muslims in Germany thus percieve the Germans as enemies soon?
El-Zayat: No, luckily, we haven't come so far yet.
Yet.
The reason for possible enmity would be in this case, mind you, Chancellor Angela Merkel's lame-ish support for Israel in the Gaza-conflict. The German people, left, right and center, are
quite d'accord with the Muslim hatred for everything Jewish anyway and beware Muslim wrath should that ever change.
But it won't. The stance of the left is clear anyway, and anything with "Pro" connected to "Deutschland" will INVARIABLY end up in an orgy of Nazi-, war guilt- , war crimes- , and Holocaust apology or revisionism, as proven by today's frontpage of
Junge Freiheit.

Nationalism has no other face here. A healthy, positive Nationalism is unthinkable. At the end of the day, it's all about war crimes commited with Germans as -- yes -- victims, Holocaust relativism, and the ever-oppressive Jewish lobby. Just as the guilt-ridden sort, this kind of German identifies with the Nazi-aera and the (self-started and lost) war and with the Nazi-aera and the (self-started and lost) war only. Sad as it may be, there is no other Germany.
I am tired of translating. Go and try to get the gist and the spirit of the above precious "German conservatism" yourselves.
"Rumours about illness, medication, a grand conspiracy, are just a smokescreen to conceal the fact that the American people elected him."
Yep. Well said Nora. Many Americans were asleep and when Mr. O was preaching "hope and change" a majority did not ask "what are you hoping for and HOW are you going to change things?"
I was extremely concerned by Mr. O's extreme leftist bent as well as the fact that he was the most junior (inexperienced) member of the US Senate. That meant he would ram his ideology through no matter what the populace said. Still I gave him the benefit of the doubt after he was sworn in, but within two months knew my assessment of him was right.
I hate being right in these matters, because our nation is now in a very precarious and dangerous situation. I can tell you that in the last few months, I've seen many former Obama supporters become totally disillusioned with him. A couple I have told "I warned you" without gloating about it.
Sure, there was a political machine backing Obama and helping him along the way, but at the end of the day, it was how Americans pulled the voting levers that put him in office.
29 October, 2010 16:58
Editrix said
“This is the most singularly stupid bit of writing, with comments to match, I have read in a long time:”
I have to agree with you. I’ve never heard anyone make these claims about those from within the administration or Democratic Party wanting to remove Obama. Now during this mid-term election time there are some Democrats who are running or up for election who maybe gently distancing themselves from or at most disagreeing with Obama and mostly with Rep. Pelosi. Those on the left are still supportive of Obama but it’s the far left that is upset with him, but not on the basis of his competence but that he is not being leftist enough. I think Obama is going to have a problem winning a second term in 2012. But that really depends on who’s running against him. As in most elections in America the winner is the one who can pull the most independent voters.
I tend to agree with you on why Obama was elected. Whether people want to admit it or not I think it was because of his skin color. Many whites in America wanted to get the race issues and White guilt behind them and they though electing a Black for President would do that. Democrats thought it so much that they felt it was more important to nominate an inexperience 1st term junior Senator who was Black over a woman who was an experience 2nd term Senator and was also a former 1st Lady and dedicated life long Democrat. It was more important to for Democrats have the first Black as President than it was to have the first woman as President. And more young Americans voters really wanted to prove that racism is dead and most are brainwashed into thinking that conservative are old, out of touch and evil white people. But now I think many young people have become disillusioned with their choice because they are now seeing the reality of the politics, government and the world. I didn’t vote for Obama but it had nothing to do with his skin color, I just wasn’t buying what he was selling. He gave great speeches but really said nothing. But a lot of people thought he did. One woman even believed that once he became President she would get free gas. Truth is people heard what they wanted to hear.
Now what I find strange is the idea that American liberals and many young people have that Europe would respect us if we elected a Black as President. Was it really important in Europe for America to have a Black President? If so, why? How many countries in Europe have ever had a Black leader?
Why are Americans hated in Europe? Is it our government? Is it our way of life? Or is it us as a people? Do we come off as arrogant or ignorant or both?
29 October, 2010 20:33
'gator: To be honest, I can relate to the gut feeling of watching AT LAST the perceived justice of a black American president. But it is just that: a (passing) GUT feeling. Then all my cerebral alarm bells rang. But I am sure the inner strength of the American people will eventually be able to cope with the situation the election of this "post racial" president has brought about.
UR: "Now what I find strange is the idea that American liberals and many young people have that Europe would respect us if we elected a Black as President. Was it really important in Europe for America to have a Black President? If so, why? How many countries in Europe have ever had a Black leader?"
No European country ever had a black leader, but then, none had slavery and if it had once had close-to-slavery conditions, like Tsarist Russia, the victims were of their own kind, i.e. white. So "white guilt" is a stranger to the European subconscious. I don't think the Obama-hype in my country had anything to do with an increased respect of America. In fact, the opposite was the case. I am sure people sensed Obama's inherent anti-Americanism and responded positively to THAT.
"Why are Americans hated in Europe? Is it our government? Is it our way of life? Or is it us as a people? Do we come off as arrogant or ignorant or both?"
There isn't a simple "yes" or "no" answer to that. I think French anti-Americanism is due to the fact that you saved their sorry arses twice during the last century. German anti-Americanism is a bit more involved. I said before that Germans are no more racist (in fact, less, or so I think) than other European peoples. Always remember that our main identity-creating state, Prussia, was a political, not a tribal entity. Racial conflicts were, different from the British isles, largely unknown within the German countries. The lack of any notable colonies added to that because it kept Germany largely white. The Poles who came to work in the West German mines in the 19th century have been thoroughly absorbed, the "Gastarbeiter" one century later as well, and towards the un-absorbable Turks we are hatching an attitude of proactive obedience and dhimmitude.
No, our problem isn't racism, it's antisemitism, and here we come (I think) to the core of anti-Americanism. The American people are serving as a projection screen for German antisemitism. Not uncommon points like, say, the "Jewified East Coast" (verjudete Ostküste) are proof of that. Of course, this is not JUST antisemitic, but issue of German anti-modernism as well, but the borders between those phenomena are blurred. There are shadows of envy of a (really or perceived) more successful, better functioning and more happy society as well, and, again, here we come back to (dare I say it?) antisemitic elements.
Like with antisemitism, there is nothing Americans can DO about it, because anti-Americanism is, like antisemitism, not a prejudice (prejudices can be rectified), but a resentment.
I think we all have to come back to a common ground of Western solidarity and to acknowledge what is different and why and to stress the mutual interests. And one day, maybe, perhaps, we will see hat we can actually learn from each other.
31 October, 2010 14:56